From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 2 09:01:45 2010 X-Greylist: delayed 824 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:01:44 PST Received: from mail.ourldsfamily.com (ourldsfamily.com [198.60.114.90]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7753B690016 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:01:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail.ourldsfamily.com (nephi1 [10.0.0.1]) by mail.ourldsfamily.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o22Glw47019957 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:47:58 -0700 Received: from ammon ([172.20.20.1]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user karlp) by webmail.ourldsfamily.com with HTTP; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:47:58 -0700 Message-ID: <268bfc6cfc4ab4a274193bb966edb537.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:47:58 -0700 Subject: Blackberry Issues. From: "Karl Pearson" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at mail.ourldsfamily.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Archive-Number: 201003/1 X-Sequence-Number: 5914 My server: Fedora 8 (will be upgrading to CentOS 5.4 on a new server soon) MD 1.94.5 I have over 150 separate email groups with a total of 6200 subscribers. Almost every time someone sends and email through the groups using a Blackberry phone, I get this type of stuff (shortened because enough is there to see what it is): --------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- N�����r��z�^jǯ�ȭ��i��j)`��������jh���&�Q����́�ٕ�役����ȁ�ȁ�ѥ�����ݥѠ�-�ɰ�����$�ݥѠ�ѡ�́�����ѕ�ѥ��4(4)�������4(4)M��Ё���ѡ��9�܁9��ݽɮd��ɽ����M�ɥ�Ҹ� ���� ���� --------------------------- End ------------------------------ Have any of you seen this in your MD groups? I would really like a solution. Thanks Karl From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 2 09:52:20 2010 X-Greylist: delayed 1497 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:52:18 PST Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C51690016 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:52:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p549A678F.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.103.143]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o22HRIhj015440; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 17:27:19 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o22HRB61039238; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 18:27:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o22HR1bg080400; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 18:27:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201003021727.o22HR1bg080400@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Karl Pearson" cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Blackberry Issues. From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 02 Mar 2010 09:47:58 MST." <268bfc6cfc4ab4a274193bb966edb537.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:27:01 +0100 X-Archive-Number: 201003/2 X-Sequence-Number: 5915 Hi, "Karl Pearson" wrote: > My server: > Fedora 8 (will be upgrading to CentOS 5.4 on a new server soon) > MD 1.94.5 > > I have over 150 separate email groups with a total of 6200 subscribers. > Almost every time someone sends and email through the groups using a > Blackberry phone, I get this type of stuff (shortened because enough is > there to see what it is): > --------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- ... rest elided ... What you sent arrived as non ascii noise, no headers, so no clue. I suggest you take an entire mail including headers & uuencode it & post it, then we can see what you can see. Presumably Blackberry is sending some font/ unicode/ foreign char set/ maybe even double byte/ fancy modern crap. Whatever, once we can see header & mime enclosure delimeters etc, it can be analysed, & hopefully a solution suggested. > Have any of you seen this in your MD groups? I would really like a solution. > > Thanks > > Karl Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text not quoted-printable, HTML or Base64 http://www.asciiribbon.org From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 2 09:59:11 2010 Received: from mail.ourldsfamily.com (ourldsfamily.com [198.60.114.90]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C042D690050 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 09:59:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail.ourldsfamily.com (nephi1 [10.0.0.1]) by mail.ourldsfamily.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o22Hx9pw015308 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 10:59:10 -0700 Received: from ammon ([172.20.20.1]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user karlp) by webmail.ourldsfamily.com with HTTP; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 10:59:10 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <201003021727.o22HR1bg080400@fire.js.berklix.net> References: <201003021727.o22HR1bg080400@fire.js.berklix.net> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 10:59:10 -0700 Subject: Re: Blackberry Issues. From: "Karl Pearson" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at mail.ourldsfamily.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Archive-Number: 201003/3 X-Sequence-Number: 5916 On Tue, March 2, 2010 10:27 am, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Hi, > "Karl Pearson" wrote: >> My server: >> Fedora 8 (will be upgrading to CentOS 5.4 on a new server soon) >> MD 1.94.5 >> >> I have over 150 separate email groups with a total of 6200 subscribers. >> Almost every time someone sends and email through the groups using a >> Blackberry phone, I get this type of stuff (shortened because enough is >> there to see what it is): > >> --------------------------- Original Message >> ---------------------------- > ... rest elided ... > > What you sent arrived as non ascii noise, no headers, so no clue. > I suggest you take an entire mail including headers & uuencode it > & post it, then we can see what you can see. > > Presumably Blackberry is sending some font/ unicode/ foreign char > set/ maybe even double byte/ fancy modern crap. Whatever, once we > can see header & mime enclosure delimeters etc, it can be analysed, > & hopefully a solution suggested. > The header information doesn't include any mime information because it's stripped out by the demime plugin. I'll see about any font information. Thanks for your response. >> Have any of you seen this in your MD groups? I would really like a >> solution. >> >> Thanks >> >> Karl > > Cheers, > Julian > -- > Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich > http://berklix.com > Mail plain text not quoted-printable, HTML or Base64 > http://www.asciiribbon.org > --- Karl Pearson Karlp@ourldsfamily.com Owner/Administrator of the sites at http://ourldsfamily.com --- "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." --- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. --Benjamin Franklin --- Prayer for Obama, et al: http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ps/109/8#8 (~) --- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 2 17:18:32 2010 X-Greylist: delayed 404 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:18:31 PST Received: from mail.scasey.com (206-169-90-115.static.twtelecom.net [206.169.90.115]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6031669008D for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 17:18:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6322 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2010 01:11:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (scasey@68.106.244.85) by 0 with ESMTPA; 3 Mar 2010 01:11:44 -0000 Message-ID: <4B8DB75F.9060603@scaseyllc.com> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:11:59 -0700 From: Sean Casey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: [Fwd: Re: Blackberry Issues.] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 201003/4 X-Sequence-Number: 5917 oops. got to learn to pay attention to the reply-to... -------- Original Message -------- Karl Pearson said on 3/2/2010 9:47 AM: > My server: > > Fedora 8 (will be upgrading to CentOS 5.4 on a new server soon) > MD 1.94.5 > > I have over 150 separate email groups with a total of 6200 subscribers. > Almost every time someone sends and email through the groups using a > Blackberry phone, I get this type of stuff (shortened because enough is > there to see what it is): > > > > --------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- > > N�����r��z�^jǯ�ȭ��i��j)`��������jh���&�Q����́�ٕ�役����ȁ�ȁ�ѥ�����ݥѠ� > -�ɰ�����$�ݥѠ�ѡ�́�����ѕ�ѥ��4(4)�������4(4)M��Ё���ѡ��9�܁9��ݽɮd��ɽ����M�ɥ�Ҹ� > ���� ���� > > --------------------------- End ------------------------------ > > Have any of you seen this in your MD groups? I would really like a > solution. > > Thanks > > Karl > I've seen it on email from both Blackberrys and iPhones. I *think* it's because the mobiles send messages encrypted from the mobile device. In the examples I saw, the mail was being routed via AOL, and arrived at the majordomo list looking pretty much like your example. I've not identified a solution... Sean [on Fedora 6, qmail-smtpd, majordomo 1.94.5] From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 2 17:38:47 2010 Received: from mail.ourldsfamily.com (ourldsfamily.com [198.60.114.90]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516B3690090 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 17:38:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from webmail.ourldsfamily.com (nephi1 [10.0.0.1]) by mail.ourldsfamily.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o231cg9N025601; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 18:38:43 -0700 Received: from ammon ([172.20.20.1]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user karlp) by webmail.ourldsfamily.com with HTTP; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 18:38:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1fd06cfdf9bbdd8cbab901eee38ed05a.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> In-Reply-To: <4B8DB717.2040601@scaseyllc.com> References: <268bfc6cfc4ab4a274193bb966edb537.squirrel@webmail.ourldsfamily.com> <4B8DB717.2040601@scaseyllc.com> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 18:38:45 -0700 Subject: Re: Blackberry Issues. From: "Karl Pearson" To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Cc: "Sean Casey" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at mail.ourldsfamily.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Archive-Number: 201003/5 X-Sequence-Number: 5918 On Tue, March 2, 2010 6:10 pm, Sean Casey wrote: > Karl Pearson said on 3/2/2010 9:47 AM: >> My server: >> >> Fedora 8 (will be upgrading to CentOS 5.4 on a new server soon) >> MD 1.94.5 >> >> I have over 150 separate email groups with a total of 6200 subscribers. >> Almost every time someone sends and email through the groups using a >> Blackberry phone, I get this type of stuff (shortened because enough is >> there to see what it is): >> >> >> >> --------------------------- Original Message >> ---------------------------- >> >> N�����r��z�^jǯ�ȭ��i��j)`��������jh���&�Q����́�ٕ�役����ȁ�ȁ�ѥ�����ݥѠ� >> -�ɰ�����$�ݥѠ�ѡ�́�����ѕ�ѥ��4(4)�������4(4)M��Ё���ѡ��9�܁9��ݽɮd��ɽ����M�ɥ�Ҹ� >> ���� ���� >> >> --------------------------- End ------------------------------ >> >> Have any of you seen this in your MD groups? I would really like a >> solution. >> >> Thanks >> >> Karl >> > I've seen it on email from both Blackberrys and iPhones. I *think* it's > because the mobiles send messages encrypted from the mobile device. > In the examples I saw, the mail was being routed via AOL, and arrived at > the majordomo list looking pretty much like your example. I've not > identified a solution... > > Sean > [on Fedora 6, qmail-smtpd, majordomo 1.94.5] > Thanks for the update. I'll have to check the accounts the Blackberry phones are using. I haven't heard anything from any iPhone users. . . yet. --- Karl Pearson Karlp@ourldsfamily.com Owner/Administrator of the sites at http://ourldsfamily.com --- "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." --- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. --Benjamin Franklin --- Prayer for Obama, et al: http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ps/109/8#8 (~) --- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Mar 15 13:54:00 2010 X-Greylist: delayed 62 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:53:58 PDT Received: from nspiron-1.llnl.gov (nspiron-1.llnl.gov [128.115.41.81]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516CC6900C0 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:53:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Attachments: None Received: from raider3.llnl.gov (HELO [128.15.100.114]) ([128.15.100.114]) by nspiron-1.llnl.gov with ESMTP; 15 Mar 2010 13:52:55 -0700 Message-ID: <4B9E9E27.4020707@llnl.gov> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:52:55 -0700 From: Dave Martini User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070109) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Majordomo mailing list syntax question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 201003/6 X-Sequence-Number: 5919 Hi all, I running Majordomo 1.94.5 on Redhat 5. I have a section in my /etc/aliases below but when I send mail to admin@mrpeanut2 it never gets delivered. But when the admin line looks like the one that is commented out below it does work. Is there something wrong with the syntax in the first admin line below? I did a newaliases and the admin list does reside in the lists directory. Also, is there a link to the syntax that can be used? Thanks. Dave. admin: "|/home/majordom/majordomo/latest/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -l admin -f admin-owner -h mrpeanut2.llnl.gov -s admin-outgoing" #admin: :include:/home/majordom/lists/admin owner-admin: admin-owner admin-outgoing: :include:/home/majordom/lists/admin owner-admin-outgoing: admin-owner admin-archive: "|/home/majordom/majordomo/latest/wrapper archive2.pl -a -y -f /home/majordom/archive/admin.archive" owner-admin-archive: admin-owner admin-request: "|/home/majordom/majordomo/latest/wrapper request-answer admin" owner-admin-request: admin-owner admin-approval: owner-majordomo admin-owner: owner-majordomo owner-admin-owner: owner-majordomo From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 16 02:49:12 2010 X-Greylist: delayed 413 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 02:49:11 PDT Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [213.184.43.8]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE9E690009 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 02:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31F739822 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:42:16 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at post.raad.tartu.ee Received: from kuller.raad.tartu.ee ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kuller.raad.tartu.ee [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id G++kHwSc26QS for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:42:12 +0200 (EET) Received: from raad.tartu.ee (lv.raad.tartu.ee [213.184.43.2]) by kuller.raad.tartu.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B5E39821 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:42:11 +0200 (EET) Received: from INFO/SpoolDir by raad.tartu.ee (Mercury 1.48); 16 Mar 10 11:42:11 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by INFO (Mercury 1.48); 16 Mar 10 11:41:48 +0200 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (172.26.1.2) by raad.tartu.ee (Mercury 1.48) with ESMTP; 16 Mar 10 11:41:43 +0200 Message-ID: <4B9F5257.1000305@raad.tartu.ee> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:41:43 +0200 From: Toomas Aas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: cookies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 201003/7 X-Sequence-Number: 5920 Hello! I'm about to reinstall Majordomo 1.94.5 on my FreeBSD box. I noticed that there is a choice of installing either with MD5 or SHA1 cookies. So far it seems I have MJ installed with MD5 cookies, but if I now install it with SHA1 cookies I can avoid reinstalling one extra package of the system. What exactly are these 'cookies' used for and is there a risk of breaking something by replacing MD5 cookies with SHA1? -- Toomas Aas From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 16 08:58:16 2010 Received: from nspiron-2.llnl.gov (nspiron-2.llnl.gov [128.115.41.82]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2402D690009 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:58:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Attachments: None Received: from raider3.llnl.gov (HELO [128.15.100.114]) ([128.15.100.114]) by nspiron-2.llnl.gov with ESMTP; 16 Mar 2010 08:58:15 -0700 Message-ID: <4B9FAA97.3090808@llnl.gov> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:58:15 -0700 From: Dave Martini User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070109) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Operating System Error Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 201003/8 X-Sequence-Number: 5921 Does anyone know what Operating System Error means? I'm running Majordomo 1.94.5 on RHEL 5.4. Is Majordomo compatible with RHEL 5.4? I downloaded the .tar.gz file from their site. Running /var/spool/mqueue/o2FGmkEo002627 (sequence 14 of 17) "|/home/majordom/majordomo/latest/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -l admin -f admin-owner -h mrpeanut2.llnl.gov -s admin-outgoing"... Connecting to prog... Operating system error From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Mar 16 10:21:47 2010 Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D853F690078 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p549A7F32.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.127.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o2GHLgO6017227; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:21:43 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o2GHLZ1s075708; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:21:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o2GHLOed062584; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:21:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201003161721.o2GHLOed062584@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Dave Martini cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Operating System Error From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:58:15 MST." <4B9FAA97.3090808@llnl.gov> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:21:24 +0100 X-Archive-Number: 201003/9 X-Sequence-Number: 5922 Dave Martini wrote: > Does anyone know what Operating System Error means? > I'm running Majordomo 1.94.5 on RHEL 5.4. > Is Majordomo compatible with RHEL 5.4? I downloaded the .tar.gz file > from their site. > > Running /var/spool/mqueue/o2FGmkEo002627 (sequence 14 of 17) > "|/home/majordom/majordomo/latest/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 > -l admin -f admin-owner -h mrpeanut2.llnl.gov -s > admin-outgoing"... Connecting to prog... > Operating system error Search Sources for clues :-) cd somewhere-you-suspect find . -type f -exec grep "Operating system error" {} /dev/null \; String Operating system error is not in majordomo sources for 1.94.5 String is in sendmail In FreeBSD-7.1 I see that string in /usr/src/contrib/sendmail/ RELEASE_NOTES: Mail delivery to files would fail with an Operating System Error include/sm/sysexits.h:** EX_OSERR -- An operating system error has been detected. libsm/exc.html: This represents a generic operating system error. libsm/strexit.c: return ":451 4.0.0 Operating system error"; src/sendmail.8:Temporary operating system error, Above is for sendmail released 2008/05/03 PS You might want to check if you have this in your sendmail .mc file FEATURE(smrsh) As I recall its so pipes are supported. http://www.sendmail.org/m4/features.html#smrsh Use the SendMail Restricted SHell (smrsh) provided with the distribution instead of /bin/sh for mailing to programs. This improves the ability of the local system administrator to control what gets run via e-mail. If an argument is provided it is used as the pathname to smrsh; otherwise, the path defined by confEBINDIR is used for the smrsh binary -- by default, /usr/libexec/smrsh is assumed. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text not quoted-printable, HTML or Base64 http://www.asciiribbon.org Old 20s expire 30 6 2010 http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/twentyv/ From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Mar 26 18:36:22 2010 X-Greylist: delayed 6494 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:36:21 PDT Received: from mail-gw0-f43.google.com (mail-gw0-f43.google.com [74.125.83.43]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914CC690044 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gwj18 with SMTP id 18so4591168gwj.2 for ; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:36:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:received:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=NpE9UZl1Efqy6iSdZ+P5mNWtDYlfVchztK+F44X4NoI=; b=daambLU806oZUtfEPtq/nSDqTGZgTUXHyZIuJYS4TZcrsiJ5DwyPoTl6k1Y+mtosb7 rMfNGBTj0Hw7FDLnBc87pmIJTCd/JNYv/tKxZSZQGxOg8oEYodOllO6tcvOlSlJbzuy9 T5q9VZs5LC/gwq8UdxixgElip3tcc7N2kXMDY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=abib+nttnmT87IJtcyUDk48DCDTepyHy7K5/bnRx/FxJ+Z1wzFJ0TGLtQWghHTbwd/ lzBeQSddANupFPJt7qUW9DJ9hIvbQWcubkPORRwRu2MxKqz+HoeCRBWvALVuO5bHVjXJ aHFLleXAH1H32/YAibuM+yI74bYFYxdSEffeY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.17.199 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:40:48 -0400 Received: by 10.151.28.5 with SMTP id f5mr2312602ybj.244.1269646848510; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Turn off help From: Bob Abbott To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd248c8654b030482bcb180 X-Archive-Number: 201003/10 X-Sequence-Number: 5923 --000e0cd248c8654b030482bcb180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is there a way to turn off the generation of the help message to anyone not on a list requesting help? Have much spam coming in to majordomo@ which generates equal number of outgoing help messages and most bounce back or are undeliverable. Thanks, Bob Abbott --000e0cd248c8654b030482bcb180 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there a way to turn off the generation of the help message to anyone not= on a list requesting help?=A0 Have much spam coming in to majordomo@ which= generates equal number of outgoing help messages and most bounce back or a= re undeliverable.

Thanks,
Bob Abbott

--000e0cd248c8654b030482bcb180-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Mar 27 12:41:20 2010 Received: from mail.scasey.com (206-169-90-115.static.twtelecom.net [206.169.90.115]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 902F06900A7 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:31:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26118 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2010 19:31:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (scasey@68.106.244.85) by 0 with ESMTPA; 27 Mar 2010 19:31:35 -0000 Message-ID: <4BAE5D15.3090501@scaseyllc.com> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:31:33 -0700 From: Sean Casey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Turn off help References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 201003/11 X-Sequence-Number: 5924 Bob Abbott said on 3/26/2010 4:40 PM: > Is there a way to turn off the generation of the help message to > anyone not > on a list requesting help? Have much spam coming in to majordomo@ which > generates equal number of outgoing help messages and most bounce back > or are > undeliverable. > > Thanks, > Bob Abbott > I think you'd have to edit the source code to turn that off, Bob, although see if you can do something with $majordomo_dont_reply I "solved" the problem with spam to majordomo by changing the alias of majordomo to something else. Of course, I had to change the majordomo.cf to match the new alias. There is no longer a majordomo@ on my server. Mail to majordomo just gets a normal BOUNCE message, which usually results in a "double-bounce" - and those get routed to /dev/null HTH Sean From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sat Mar 27 13:05:58 2010 X-Greylist: delayed 1230 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 13:05:57 PDT Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [209.237.247.99]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B91690057 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 13:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Roger-Kloreses-iMac.local (c-76-104-131-7.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [76.104.131.7]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA7417AFAFA; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 11:45:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4BAE6056.1020908@queernet.org> Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 12:45:26 -0700 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Abbott CC: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Turn off help References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 201003/12 X-Sequence-Number: 5925 On 3/26/10 4:40 PM, Bob Abbott wrote: > Is there a way to turn off the generation of the help message to > anyone not on a list requesting help? Have much spam coming in to > majordomo@ which generates equal number of outgoing help messages and > most bounce back or are undeliverable. > > Thanks, > Bob Abbott > You should be rejecting spam before it hits Majordomo... From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Mar 28 11:46:45 2010 X-Greylist: delayed 360 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:46:44 PDT Received: from mail-iw0-f204.google.com (mail-iw0-f204.google.com [209.85.223.204]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA08690072 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwn42 with SMTP id 42so129938iwn.6 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:46:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:received:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QZBWQZh8hb9YGLFKfmWSHnEvGe1i0bYUQMQgYxTQ3e8=; b=f42K2HluCxwRD6qjuijx89Ua26IB8vOrTxxwq8hvFctHwc16jA6e4jtzQiYu8IopFa JzVkWqBItdoj7T1jsrjy72UHhKv3BsF9/tDtNrAUsnzFAj/3PA/YwxxQX5tkvvQbN71h UIkUDehIpzIzcdHZkxShYjkMrpkJRNp4zT+4U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ICoOBs4ZOaWz0qSK617AbAaEG7fmsQ1l9vm7rV6v2lLpqO8n3teQ9GJCe1uVPP9xrt 4r9W0fVQJZzX7lAYiW6L3n/y6BcTyuzZ2PSjZzhRzrC+uIybJLx/3HgkSUlG8u353Hwr okfYOySKFqHanST98//z4ARoZ3eRhEd/gyoNg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.10.199 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:40:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BAE6056.1020908@queernet.org> References: <4BAE6056.1020908@queernet.org> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:40:42 -0400 Received: by 10.231.156.80 with SMTP id v16mr1986997ibw.79.1269801642649; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: Turn off help From: Bob Abbott To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636ed793fd86a100482e0bbfd X-Archive-Number: 201003/13 X-Sequence-Number: 5926 --001636ed793fd86a100482e0bbfd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: > You should be rejecting spam before it hits Majordomo... > I do reject for an average of 7000 spams a day, but a few get through. If yours is 100% perfect, please tell me how to do that "100% no false positive/negative spam reduction". For those who need to leave the help on for users, that's why I specified people NOT ON THE LIST. I might try eliminating majordomo@ and reconfigure everything else for that but it is used for so many things, that's a whole "retrain the user" again. It seams majordomo is getting to the end of its life. Maybe time to switch to Google Groups. Seems to be able to configure to work similar to MJ. Anybody go through changing over a list to Google Groups? Thanks, Bob Abbott --001636ed793fd86a100482e0bbfd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Roger B= .A. Klorese <ro= gerk@queernet.org> wrote:
You should be rejecting spam before it hits Majordomo...


I do reject for an average of 7000 spams a day, = but a few get through.=A0 If yours is 100% perfect, please tell me how to d= o that "100% no false positive/negative spam reduction".

For those who need to leave the help on for users, that's why I specifi= ed people NOT ON THE LIST.

I might try eliminating majordomo@ and re= configure everything else for that but it is used for so many things, that&= #39;s a whole "retrain the user" again.

It seams majordomo is getting to the end of its life.=A0 Maybe time to = switch to Google Groups.=A0 Seems to be able to configure to work similar t= o MJ.=A0 Anybody go through changing over a list to Google Groups?

T= hanks,
Bob Abbott

--001636ed793fd86a100482e0bbfd-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Mar 28 12:07:55 2010 Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 537776900FD for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p549A495A.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.73.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o2SJ7obK072832; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:07:51 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o2SJ7fdc012237; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:07:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o2SJ7VMe074632; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:07:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201003281907.o2SJ7VMe074632@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Bob Abbott cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Turn off help From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:40:42 EDT." Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:07:31 +0200 X-Archive-Number: 201003/14 X-Sequence-Number: 5927 > It seams majordomo is getting to the end of its life. Maybe time to switch > to Google Groups. Seems to be able to configure to work similar to MJ. > Anybody go through changing over a list to Google Groups? If you want to leave, Why not look at mailman etc ? at least youd still be in control. With google you'd sacrifice control. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail plain text, Not HTML quoted-printable Base64 http://www.asciiribbon.org Old 20s expire 30 6 2010 http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/twentyv/ From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Mar 28 13:58:10 2010 X-Greylist: delayed 1606 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:58:10 PDT Received: from mailgate2.intershop.de (mailgate2.intershop.de [217.17.202.161]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01504690126 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from j ([10.0.230.6]) by mailgate2.intershop.de (8.14.3/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o2SKVIBe026702 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 22:31:20 +0200 Received: by j (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E818068EF3; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 22:31:18 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 22:31:18 +0200 From: Rainer Sokoll To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Turn off help Message-ID: <20100328203118.GA4871@j.intershop.de> Mail-Followup-To: Rainer Sokoll , majordomo-users@greatcircle.com References: <4BAE5D15.3090501@scaseyllc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4BAE5D15.3090501@scaseyllc.com> X-War: is not the answer X-homepage: http://rainer.sokoll.com/ X-pgp-fingerprint: A5 AC C6 70 DA 42 EB 8A 4F B3 65 31 28 C6 57 87 X-Geek-Code-1: -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- X-Geek-Code-2: Version: 3.1 X-Geek-Code-3: GCM$/C d- s: a? C++ UL++++$ P->+++ L+++ E--- W+ N++ o-- K- w !O M- !V X-Geek-Code-4: PS+ PE Y+ PGP+ t- !5 X- R- tv- b+>+++ !DI D+ G e+++ h---- r+++ y+++ X-Geek-Code-5: ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ X-MimeOLE: Ole, Ole, Ole X-Backscatter-Tag: And now for something completely different User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Archive-Number: 201003/15 X-Sequence-Number: 5928 On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 12:31:33PM -0700, Sean Casey wrote: > There is no longer a majordomo@ on my server. Mail to majordomo > just gets a normal BOUNCE message, which usually results in a > "double-bounce" - and those get routed to /dev/null Slightly OT: you should not bounce, but reject during the SMTP dialogue. What if some spammer abuses your wife's address as sender address? Your wife would get your bounce and maybe will have a serious discussion with you afterwards ;-) Rainer From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Mar 28 21:32:25 2010 Received: from mail.scasey.com (206-169-90-115.static.twtelecom.net [206.169.90.115]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E55CE690056 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11526 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2010 04:32:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (scasey@68.106.244.85) by 0 with ESMTPA; 29 Mar 2010 04:32:20 -0000 Message-ID: <4BB02D56.7070108@scaseyllc.com> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:32:22 -0700 From: Sean Casey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Turn off help References: <4BAE5D15.3090501@scaseyllc.com> <20100328203118.GA4871@j.intershop.de> In-Reply-To: <20100328203118.GA4871@j.intershop.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 201003/16 X-Sequence-Number: 5929 Rainer Sokoll said on 3/28/2010 1:31 PM: > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 12:31:33PM -0700, Sean Casey wrote: > > > There is no longer a majordomo@ on my server. Mail to majordomo > > just gets a normal BOUNCE message, which usually results in a > > "double-bounce" - and those get routed to /dev/null > > Slightly OT: you should not bounce, but reject during the SMTP dialogue. > What if some spammer abuses your wife's address as sender address? Your > wife would get your bounce and maybe will have a serious discussion with > you afterwards ;-) > > Rainer Oh, I DO reject during SMTP...97%-98% of connection attempts are rejected by my servers. I have built a rather elaborate but effective process that adds entire netblocks to be rejected upon receipt of spam from specified countries. If I ever get a customer who wants to do business in China, or Russia, or Korea, I'm going to have a problem. Anything that gets past the by-country blocks is then scanned, with about a 60% rejection rate, but I'm only scanning 1%-3% of the attempted connection count. Only stuff that gets past all that gets bounced...AND reported to the originating ISP. Sean From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Sun Mar 28 21:44:38 2010 Received: from mail.scasey.com (206-169-90-115.static.twtelecom.net [206.169.90.115]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1198569013C for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13615 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2010 04:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (scasey@68.106.244.85) by 0 with ESMTPA; 29 Mar 2010 04:44:33 -0000 Message-ID: <4BB03030.4070609@scaseyllc.com> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:44:32 -0700 From: Sean Casey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Turn off help References: <4BAE6056.1020908@queernet.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 201003/17 X-Sequence-Number: 5930 Bob Abbott said on 3/28/2010 11:40 AM: > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote: > >> You should be rejecting spam before it hits Majordomo... >> > > > I do reject for an average of 7000 spams a day, but a few get through. If > yours is 100% perfect, please tell me how to do that "100% no false > positive/negative spam reduction". > My rejection rate is between 20k-30k per day...and I'm just a little guy. Most of that by my netblock blocking (see previous post), tho. I don't have any reason to accept any email from Korea or the Ukraine or Iran, so I just don't. I use simscan to manage spam and virus checking. > For those who need to leave the help on for users, that's why I specified > people NOT ON THE LIST. > > I might try eliminating majordomo@ and reconfigure everything else for that > but it is used for so many things, that's a whole "retrain the user" again. > Yeah. That would be a problem if you have a lot of users who actually "talk" to majordomo. I made my switch when setting up MJ for customers at their domains, so it was transparent to them. > It seams majordomo is getting to the end of its life. Maybe time to switch > to Google Groups. Seems to be able to configure to work similar to MJ. > Anybody go through changing over a list to Google Groups? > > Thanks, > Bob Abbott > I agree with Julian. Look for another list server to install. Besides mailman, there's ezmlm, and listserv (not free?). There's a Yahoo group I work with that doesn't work very well 'cause we don't have good control. Would still have to retrain the users, tho. Sean