From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Nov 5 02:14:55 2007 X-Greylist: delayed 2462 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 02:14:52 PST Received: from skywalker.dahl-stamnes.net (38.80-203-206.nextgentel.com [80.203.206.38]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E852019CFA6 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 02:14:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from jedi.dahl-stamnes.net (jedi.dahl-stamnes.net [194.213.166.140]) by skywalker.dahl-stamnes.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA59XkgH015304 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:33:47 +0100 Received: from jedi.dahl-stamnes.net (jedi.dahl-stamnes.net [127.0.0.1]) by jedi.dahl-stamnes.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA59Xknb012307 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:33:46 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by jedi.dahl-stamnes.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id lA59XknK012306 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:33:46 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?J=F8rn_Dahl-Stamnes?= Reply-To: mr.domo@dahl-stamnes.net To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: message_footer etc Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:33:45 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711051033.45788.mr.domo@dahl-stamnes.net> X-Archive-Number: 200711/1 X-Sequence-Number: 5681 Hello, I'm setting up a mailing list which get all the addresses from a SQL databa= se.=20 A script is running every 24 hour to extract the e-mail adresses to two=20 files: the_mailing_list the_mailing_list.post The first file contain the adresses of all who shall receive the mail while= =20 the second file (.post) contain the email-adresses to all who are allowed t= o=20 post to the list. But I noticed that if an email adresse is listed in the .post and not in th= e=20 list itself, the text defined by message_header and message_footer is not=20 applied to the messages. Any way to fix this? =2D-=20 J=F8rn Dahl-Stamnes homepage: http://www.dahl-stamnes.net/dahls/ From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Nov 5 09:16:13 2007 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D275FD808B for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:16:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so3186065pyb for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:16:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=g3iA5j62Qblrrw47pZQHsyKbqDq16sEv4CuSRjV23Is=; b=RnB62Wjvaqzph30oQ7mdSdzK8Y1eSdBmwrxpWHKsNIQBtSRlKf/XihRh7CvbbUwyfoa7RsWDXSRvA2ho6Fv+fmwxm4Ij0eB/j6McK/w43cwyfHFrazzuxER7ZZ13Z0F1StPL8oFnX+rEB5RlAJi5CNP64ipx3oLJV9Azf0hUbdY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=REhWwRhoQgx0ETXsDO0CWSzO3Hj+5RbJ3K2s67lralXDU8hTavjGxEyqjTutL3ewjLQQIj7+AsvWjWpjYlibz5rX0QGLYHYi3FlKTtnRTXqbjylfd9Yn9cT+sIBFryOEMrnPEq6TjJDYRbYYd6tw0ugB6GRHTdC51IW3aP295DI= Received: by 10.65.234.2 with SMTP id l2mr13649910qbr.1194282569396; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:09:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?172.18.1.139? ( [209.137.140.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e15sm3681790qbe.2007.11.05.09.09.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Nov 2007 09:09:28 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <023FDAB0-C9A2-46A4-902B-58743A61891F@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: Richard Bates Subject: RE Majordomo & Procmail Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:09:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Archive-Number: 200711/2 X-Sequence-Number: 5682 I have been running a mailserver with a list attached to it for years now. Recently I received a call from one of my subscribers stating that his emails are intermittantly not being delivered. From investigation here is what is happening. the mail comes in MajorDomo hands the message to Procmail Procmail checks for duplicate message Id Runs Spam Assassin to get the Spam Headers Checks the headers for spam if spam puts the message in a spam file for that date (So the message can be found if not really a spam) If NOT spam Makes a copy and uses the "wrapper archive2.pl -f /usr/local/ majordomo/lists/cac.archive/cac -D -a" command to make the archive of the message then it delivers it with the "/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend - l cac -f cac cac-outgoing,nobody" command the message appears in the good email file. but doesn't get delivered to the individuals in the list. It also only happens for this user. I'm stumped. Below is the specs of the machine, majordomo, procmail and the email in question. Thank you for any insight you can provide. I am running FreeBSD 4.10 with majordomo-1.94.5_2 A mailing list manager procmail-3.22_4 A local mail delivery agent postfix-2.0.19,1 A secure alternative to widely-used Sendmail SpamAssassin version 3.2.3 running on Perl version 5.8.2 ############## CAC Majordomo Config File admin_passwd = kjhkjh administrivia = yes advertise << END END announcements = yes approve_passwd = kjhkjh archive_dir = /var/mail/MailManagers/ListArchives comments << END END date_info = yes date_intro = yes debug = no description = digest_archive = digest_issue = 1 digest_maxdays = digest_maxlines = digest_name = cac digest_rm_footer = digest_rm_fronter = digest_volume = 1 digest_work_dir = get_access = list index_access = closed info_access = closed intro_access = closed maxlength = 10485770 message_footer << END END message_fronter << END END message_headers << END END moderate = no moderator = mungedomain = no noadvertise << END END precedence = purge_received = no reply_to = resend_host = restrict_post = sender = strip = yes subject_prefix = subscribe_policy = closed taboo_body << END END taboo_headers << END END unsubscribe_policy = open welcome = yes which_access = open who_access = MyUsersOnly ############################### the aliases for CAC # === cac maillist owner-cac: alarms owner-cac-outgoing: owner-cac owner-cac-request: owner-cac cac-approval: owner-cac cac-owner: owner-cac cac: "|/usr/local/bin/procmail -f- /usr/local/ majordomo/lists/cac.recipe" cac-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/cac cac-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper request-answer cac" ############################## THE CAC Procmail Recepie > more cac.recipe LOCKFILE=`date "+%Y%m%d%H%M%s"` :0 Wh: /usr/local/etc/msgcashes/cac.$LOCKFILE.lock |formail -D 8192 /usr/local/etc/msgcashes/cac.msgid.cache :0fw: /usr/local/etc/msgcashes/cac.$LOCKFILE.lock | spamc -u spamd -d 10.0.6.102 -H ## Status check :0: * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes /usr/local/majordomo/lists/cac.archive/SPAM.`date "+%Y%m%d"` :0 c |/usr/local/majordomo/wrapper archive2.pl -f /usr/local/majordomo/ lists/cac.archive/cac -D -a :0 | /usr/local/majordomo/wrapper resend -l cac -f cac cac- outgoing,nobody ==================== Message Source Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on spamd1.myDomain.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=3.5 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, TVD_SPACE_RATIO autolearn=no version=3.2.3 X-Original-To: cac@myDomain.com Delivered-To: cac@myDomain.com Received: from HisDomain.com (HisDomain.com [64.34.126.3]) by mail.myDomain.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAAFF883CB; Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from vlad01 [10.0.1.107] by HisDomain.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.22) id AA10039C; Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:43:12 -0500 From: "Vlad Pisaryuk" To: Cc: "'Richard Bates'" Subject: help Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:43:11 -0500 Message-ID: <030701c81fc2$924ee6a0$b6ecb3e0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0308_01C81F98.A978DEA0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcgfwpIOnu9FPBP0SGuFzNLkwGT/KQ== Content-language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0308_01C81F98.A978DEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Testing.2 Best Regards, Vlad Pisaryuk pisaryuk@HisDomain.com ------=_NextPart_000_0308_01C81F98.A978DEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0308_01C81F98.A978DEA0-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Nov 6 14:40:57 2007 Received: from mail.sonny.com (mail.sonny.com [70.58.223.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A83E619CFBF for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:40:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [12.43.23.173] by mail.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0JR300H0JWAYE7@mail.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:40:11 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:40:32 -0500 From: Daniel Liston Subject: Re: message_footer etc In-reply-to: <200711051033.45788.mr.domo@dahl-stamnes.net> To: mr.domo@dahl-stamnes.net Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <4730ED60.7020707@sonny.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) References: <200711051033.45788.mr.domo@dahl-stamnes.net> X-Archive-Number: 200711/3 X-Sequence-Number: 5683 I do not think this is broken. If the user is not in the_mailing_list file, they will not receive a copy of the message. Therefore, without a message, there is nothing to apply a message_footer or message_header to. Dan Liston Jørn Dahl-Stamnes wrote: > Hello, > > I'm setting up a mailing list which get all the addresses from a SQL database. > A script is running every 24 hour to extract the e-mail adresses to two > files: > > the_mailing_list > the_mailing_list.post > > The first file contain the adresses of all who shall receive the mail while > the second file (.post) contain the email-adresses to all who are allowed to > post to the list. > > But I noticed that if an email adresse is listed in the .post and not in the > list itself, the text defined by message_header and message_footer is not > applied to the messages. Any way to fix this? > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Nov 6 17:35:38 2007 X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Tue, 06 Nov 2007 17:35:37 PST Received: from mail.scasey.com (206-169-90-115.static.twtelecom.net [206.169.90.115]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB06D81E3 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 17:35:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13152 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2007 01:28:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (70.171.220.23) by 0 with SMTP; 7 Nov 2007 01:28:52 -0000 Message-ID: <473114D3.3000705@scaseyllc.com> Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 18:28:51 -0700 From: Sean Casey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: message_footer etc References: <200711051033.45788.mr.domo@dahl-stamnes.net> <4730ED60.7020707@sonny.org> In-Reply-To: <4730ED60.7020707@sonny.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200711/4 X-Sequence-Number: 5684 Daniel Liston wrote: > I do not think this is broken. If the user is not in the_mailing_list > file, > they will not receive a copy of the message. Therefore, without a message, > there is nothing to apply a message_footer or message_header to. > > Dan Liston > > Jørn Dahl-Stamnes wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I'm setting up a mailing list which get all the addresses from a SQL >> database. A script is running every 24 hour to extract the e-mail >> adresses to two files: >> >> the_mailing_list >> the_mailing_list.post >> >> The first file contain the adresses of all who shall receive the mail >> while the second file (.post) contain the email-adresses to all who >> are allowed to post to the list. >> >> But I noticed that if an email adresse is listed in the .post and not >> in the list itself, the text defined by message_header and >> message_footer is not applied to the messages. Any way to fix this? Dan has a point, but I'm not clear about the problem. Certainly, if the .post file is included in restrict_post, then addresses in that list are allowed to post, and resulting messages will have the message_header and message_footer applied, as well as message_fronter, even though the posting user won't receive a copy of the post. Jørn, will you post the relevant sections of the_mailing_list.conf please? That is, restrict_post, message_headers, message_footer, and (in case that's what you meant) message_fronter. [message_headers adds *headers* to the message: things like X-version $VERSION or x-unzub information...the text at the top of each message is defined in message_fronter] ...and I usually put the_mailing_list file name in restrict_post, so all members of the list can post, and reserve the .post file for alternate addresses (like a work email address) or folks who are temporarily off-list, so they can post without receiving mail at the posting address. Hope that helps. Sean From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Nov 6 23:51:49 2007 Received: from skywalker.dahl-stamnes.net (38.80-203-206.nextgentel.com [80.203.206.38]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB4BBD80D7 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2007 23:51:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from jedi.dahl-stamnes.net (jedi.dahl-stamnes.net [194.213.166.140]) by skywalker.dahl-stamnes.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA77pkBA030111 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:51:46 +0100 Received: from jedi.dahl-stamnes.net (jedi.dahl-stamnes.net [127.0.0.1]) by jedi.dahl-stamnes.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id lA77pkqZ014360 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:51:46 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by jedi.dahl-stamnes.net (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id lA77pjwt014359 for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:51:45 +0100 From: =?iso-8859-1?q?J=F8rn_Dahl-Stamnes?= Reply-To: mr.domo@dahl-stamnes.net To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: message_footer etc Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:51:45 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200711051033.45788.mr.domo@dahl-stamnes.net> <4730ED60.7020707@sonny.org> <473114D3.3000705@scaseyllc.com> In-Reply-To: <473114D3.3000705@scaseyllc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711070851.45533.mr.domo@dahl-stamnes.net> X-Archive-Number: 200711/5 X-Sequence-Number: 5685 Thanks for the replies. Regarding my problem. It seems like it was related to HTML mail. I was test= ing=20 from a yahoo account, and when examin things I found that I was posting in= =20 HTML format from the yahoo account. When changing the setup so that any mail was sendt in pure ASCII, it worked. =2D-=20 J=F8rn Dahl-Stamnes homepage: http://www.dahl-stamnes.net/dahls/ From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Nov 7 04:56:51 2007 Received: from mta15.adelphia.net (mta15.adelphia.net [68.168.78.77]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40750D8202 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 04:56:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from bob-xp.techniserve.com ([76.189.175.62]) by mta15.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20071107125648.YNGO26225.mta15.adelphia.net@bob-xp.techniserve.com> for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:56:48 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20071107075338.03b69d18@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: techniserve.com:110:abbott@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:56:45 -0500 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com From: abbott@techniserve.com Subject: Re: message_footer etc In-Reply-To: <200711070851.45533.mr.domo@dahl-stamnes.net> References: <473114D3.3000705@scaseyllc.com> <200711051033.45788.mr.domo@dahl-stamnes.net> <4730ED60.7020707@sonny.org> <473114D3.3000705@scaseyllc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Archive-Number: 200711/6 X-Sequence-Number: 5686 ----Original Message---- >Regarding my problem. It seems like it was related to HTML mail. I was testing >from a yahoo account, and when examin things I found that I was posting in >HTML format from the yahoo account. >When changing the setup so that any mail was sendt in pure ASCII, it worked. This seems to have been a problem for a long time and is not related to .post only, but to ALL posters. With nearly all senders embellishing their email, the footer is nearly useless. Is there any fix to this to have a reliable footer? Thanks, Bob Abbott -------------------------- abbott@techniserve.com http://www.techniserve.com -------------------------- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Nov 7 07:00:02 2007 X-Greylist: delayed 1955 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:59:59 PST Received: from mail.psasm.biz (rrcs-72-43-254-137.nys.biz.rr.com [72.43.254.137]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3335D8070 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 06:59:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from DotyLaptop (rrcs-72-43-254-137.nys.biz.rr.com [72.43.254.137]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.psasm.biz (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA7ERPc7006178; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:27:26 -0500 From: "Robert Doty" To: , References: <473114D3.3000705@scaseyllc.com> <200711051033.45788.mr.domo@dahl-stamnes.net> <4730ED60.7020707@sonny.org> <473114D3.3000705@scaseyllc.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20071107075338.03b69d18@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: message_footer etc Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:27:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-index: AcghPb28eh7i5+JoQPq3qqGzxiEX3gAAsx3g In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20071107075338.03b69d18@127.0.0.1> X-Archive-Number: 200711/7 X-Sequence-Number: 5687 Yes. I have a solution which allows you to define an HTML footer and it gets appended to all messages that contain HTML. The downside is that you need to maintain two footers, however I would assume the footer doesn't change that often. It hasn't been an issue for me. The only real problem is that I have not taken the time to strip these alterations out of my extremely customized majordomo/resend scripts. I will try to pull the pertinent pieces of code out of mine so that everyone in this community can take advantage of it. Believe me, you don't want everything. :-) Thanks, Rob ------------------------------------------------------ Owner, Rochester Classifieds Online http://RochesterClassifiedsOnline.biz ------------------------------------------------------ >>This seems to have been a problem for a long time and is not related to .post only, but to ALL posters. >>With nearly all senders embellishing their email, the footer is nearly useless. >>Is there any fix to this to have a reliable footer? From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Nov 7 08:01:15 2007 X-Greylist: delayed 1028 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:01:14 PST Received: from thin.berklix.org (thin.berklix.org [194.246.123.68]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E25D80B7 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:01:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A6D76.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.109.118]) (authenticated bits=128) by thin.berklix.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id lA7Fi2uc061638 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:44:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA7FkSvB027607 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:46:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost.js.berklix.net [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lA7FkSZQ006615 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:46:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200711071546.lA7FkSZQ006615@fire.js.berklix.net> to: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: message_footer etc In-reply-to: <5.1.1.6.2.20071107075338.03b69d18@127.0.0.1> References: <473114D3.3000705@scaseyllc.com> <200711051033.45788.mr.domo@dahl-stamnes.net> <4730ED60.7020707@sonny.org> <473114D3.3000705@scaseyllc.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20071107075338.03b69d18@127.0.0.1> Comments: In-reply-to abbott@techniserve.com message dated "Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:56:45 -0500." Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:46:28 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Archive-Number: 200711/8 X-Sequence-Number: 5688 abbott@techniserve.com wrote: > >Regarding my problem. It seems like it was related to HTML mail. I was testing > >from a yahoo account, and when examin things I found that I was posting in > >HTML format from the yahoo account. > >When changing the setup so that any mail was sendt in pure ASCII, it worked. > > This seems to have been a problem for a long time and is not related to .post only, but to ALL posters. With nearly all senders embellishing their email, the footer is nearly useless. > > Is there any fix to this to have a reliable footer? ... coming in late on thread ... I used to think HTML was problem too, but not quite actually, merely related, (could prove that by eg sending just a .jpg) It's a problem of MIME enclosures. Majordomo is clueless about MIME, Doesnt recognise poster has sent a MIME mail, majordomo just appends footer as usual, but Majordomo does Not append another MIME enclosure delimeter. (I think terminal delimeter is slightly different to intermediate too, so needs stripping & re-appending). Mail reader tools (like EXMH 2.7.2 on FreeBSD & readers on Microsoft, do understand MIME, but fail to display the final MIME enclosure (the footer) if there is no terminating MIME enclosure delimeter. ( I've succesfully tried manually editing in another MIME delimeter & then EXMH displays footer, but problem is the delimeter uses a per mail dependent string ). The real solution would be to extend majordomo to be MIME aware - More modern mail list tools such as Mailman are MIME aware. - Is Majordomo-2 MIME aware ? > From: "Robert Doty" > Yes. I have a solution which allows you to define an HTML footer and it > gets appended to all messages that contain HTML. The downside is that you > need to maintain two footers, Sounds useful. Hopefuly the Ascii footer doesnt get sent too on HTML postings, as double footers would confuse some people on some lists I run: ( Who are more than confused enough already), Some are total incompetents, can't understand ascii, or subscribe addresses etc, hence I'm constantly tempted to switch to Mailman, to avoid dealing with them ). -- Julian Stacey. Munich Computer Consultant, BSD Unix C Linux. http://berklix.com Ihr Rauch=mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Dump cigs 4 snuff. Q: Global warming,pollution,water,fish,fuel shortages etc. A: Contraception. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Nov 7 09:01:42 2007 Received: from mail.psasm.biz (rrcs-72-43-254-137.nys.biz.rr.com [72.43.254.137]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CD7D8070 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 09:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from DotyLaptop (rrcs-72-43-254-137.nys.biz.rr.com [72.43.254.137]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.psasm.biz (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lA7H1gEp017296; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:01:43 -0500 From: "Robert Doty" To: "'Julian H. Stacey'" , References: <473114D3.3000705@scaseyllc.com> <200711051033.45788.mr.domo@dahl-stamnes.net> <4730ED60.7020707@sonny.org> <473114D3.3000705@scaseyllc.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20071107075338.03b69d18@127.0.0.1> <200711071546.lA7FkSZQ006615@fire.js.berklix.net> Subject: Re: message_footer etc Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:01:39 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-index: AcghV4Bk1xsueoUKRm2l1LQtlLEm4gAAJZfw In-Reply-To: <200711071546.lA7FkSZQ006615@fire.js.berklix.net> X-Archive-Number: 200711/9 X-Sequence-Number: 5689 Julian, >The real solution would be to extend majordomo to be MIME aware > - More modern mail list tools such as Mailman are MIME aware. > - Is Majordomo-2 MIME aware ? You are absolutely correct here. The solution I have interprets the MIME and in my experience is 99%+ successful. >Sounds useful. >Hopefuly the Ascii footer doesnt get sent too on HTML postings, as double footers would confuse some people on some lists I run: > ( Who are more than confused enough already), Some are total > incompetents, can't understand ascii, or subscribe addresses > etc, hence I'm constantly tempted to switch to Mailman, > to avoid dealing with them ). The solution will result in the HTML footer within the HTML section and the Text footer within the Text portion of the message. OK. Here is a bulk of what you need. Hopefully you know perl and can make it all work for you. Feel free to bounce questions off of me. In config_parse.pl, you will need to make duplicates for all "message_footer" entries and rename them html_footer. Add these lines to your .config files: # html_footer [string_array] (undef) # Text to be appended at the end of all messages posted to the # list. The text is expanded before being used. The following # expansion tokens are defined: $LIST - the name of the current # list, $SENDER - the sender as taken from the from line, $VERSION, # the version of majordomo. If used in a digest, no expansion # tokens are provided html_footer << END

Some message here

END Comment out or delete the following from "resend": ># Print out any message_footers ># >print STDERR "$0: adding any footers.\n" if $DEBUG; > >if ( $config_opts{$opt_l,"message_footer"} ne '' ) { > local($footer) = > &config'substitute_values( > $config_opts{$opt_l,"message_footer"}, $opt_l); #' > $footer =~ s/\001|$/\n/g; > print OUT $footer; >} Next, in the original "resend" script you will find this: # open our tmp file # open(MAILIN, "$TMPDIR/resend.$$.out"); # spit it out! # while () { print MAILOUT $_; } # cleanup # close(MAILIN); You want to add these lines above this section: > $foundmime=0; > $foundboundary=0; > $dontoutput=0; > $btext=$btext2="=JustAnotherSeparator="; > if ($html_footer eq "") > { > if ( $config_opts{$opt_l,"html_footer"} ne '' ) { > $html_footer = > &config'substitute_values( > $config_opts{$opt_l,"html_footer"}, $opt_l); #' > $html_footer =~ s/\001|$/\n/g; > } > } > if ($message_footer eq "") > { > if ( $config_opts{$opt_l,"message_footer"} ne '' ) { > $footer = > &config'substitute_values( > $config_opts{$opt_l,"message_footer"}, $opt_l); #' > $footer =~ s/\001|$/\n/g; > } > } > > > Then, you want to replace the one liner within the while loop: print MAILOUT $_; With all of this: > if ( /boundary=/ ) > { > if ( $foundboundary == 0 ) > { > ( $junk, $btext ) = split ( /boundary=/, $_, 2); > $btext =~ s/"//g; > $btext =~ s/\n//g; > $foundboundary=1; > } > else > { > ( $junk, $btext2 ) = split ( /boundary=/, $_, 2); > $btext2 =~ s/"//g; > $btext2 =~ s/\n//g; > $foundboundary=2; > } > } > if ( $foundmime == 0 ) > { > if ( /$btext/ || /$btext2/ ) > { > $ignoreattachment=0; > print STDERR ("Found MIME separater\n"); > $foundmime=1; > $plaintext=0; > } > if (//) > { > $noboundaryhtml=1; > print STDERR ("Found noboundary html\r\n"); > if (/<\/html>/) > { > print STDERR ("single line html\r\n"); > } > > } > if (/<\/html>/ && $noboundaryhtml==1) > { > print STDERR ("noboundary html end\r\n"); > ( $body, $junk ) = split ( /<\/html>/, $_, 2); > print MAILOUT $body; > print MAILOUT $html_footer; > print MAILOUT "<\/html>"; > $dontoutput=1; > } > } > elsif ( $plaintext == 0 && $htmltext == 0 ) > { > if ( /Content-Type:/ ) > { > if ( /[Pp][Ll][Aa][Ii][Nn]/ ) > { > print STDERR ("Found plain/text section\n"); > $plaintext=1; > } > if ( /[Hh][Tt][Mm][Ll]/ ) > { > print STDERR ("Found plain/html section\n"); > $htmltext=1; > $bodybegin=0; > } > if ( /[Mm][Ss]-[Tt][Nn][Ee][Ff]/) > { > print STDERR ("Found TNEF\n"); > print MAILOUT<<"EOF"; > Content-Type: text/plain; > name="TNEF AttachmentRemoved.txt" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="TNEF AttachmentRemoved.txt" > > The TNEF Attachment was removed because it is not supported by this > service. Please try sending your message in plain text. For more > information on TNEF, please google it and you will learn a lot. > > Thank-you, > > Rob > > EOF > $ignoreattachment=1; > } > $encoding=""; > } > } > else > { > if ( $encoding eq "" ) > { > if ( /Encoding/ ) > { > print STDERR "Encoding Found\n"; > if ( /7bit/ ) > { > $encoding="7bit"; > } > elsif ( /8bit/ ) > { > $encoding="8bit"; > } > elsif ( /quoted/ ) > { > $encoding="qp"; > if ($htmltext == 1) > { > print STDERR "QP Found. Altering footer\n"; > $html_footer =~ s/=/=3D/g; > } > } > } > } > if ( $htmltext == 1 ) > { > if ( /$btext/ || /$btext2/ ) > { > print STDERR ("No Body End. Inject html footer\n"); > print MAILOUT $html_footer; > print MAILOUT "\n\n"; > $htmltext=0; > $waitforbodyend=0; > } > elsif ( /HTML>/ || /html>/ ) > { > if ( $htmlbegin==0 ) > { > $htmlbegin=1; > print STDERR ("Found HTML Beginning\n"); > } > else > { > ( $rest, $body ) = reverse split ( /<\/[Hh][Tt][Mm][Ll]>/, $_, 2); > if ($waitforbodyend == 0) > { > print MAILOUT $body; > } > print MAILOUT $html_footer; > print MAILOUT "<\/BODY><\/HTML>\n\n"; > # print MAILOUT $rest; > $dontoutput=1; > $waitforbodyend=0; > $htmltext=0; > } > } > elsif ( /<[Bb][Oo][Dd][Yy]/ ) > { > if ( $bodybegin==0 ) > { > $bodybegin=1; > print STDERR ("Found Body Beginning\n"); > } > } > elsif ( !/[Tt][Bb][Oo][Dd][Yy]>/ && /[Bb][Oo][Dd][Yy]>/ && $bodybegin == 1 ) > { > ( $rest, $body ) = reverse split ( /<\/BODY>/, $_, 2); > print STDERR "Found Body End. Inject HTML Footer\n"; > print STDERR "body: $body\nrest: $rest\n"; > if ($waitforbodyend == 0) > { > print MAILOUT $body; > } > print MAILOUT $html_footer; > print MAILOUT "<\/BODY><\/HTML>\n\n"; > $dontoutput=1; > $waitforbodyend=0; > $htmltext=0; > } > elsif ( /INCREDIFOOTER/ ) > { > print MAILOUT "\n"; > $waitforbodyend=1; > } > } > elsif ( $plaintext == 1 ) > { > if ( /$btext/ || /$btext2/ ) > { > print STDERR ("Printing footer\n"); > print MAILOUT ("$footer\n"); > if ( $encoding eq "qp" ) > { > print MAILOUT ("=20\n"); > } > $plaintext=0; > } > } > } > if ( $dontoutput == 0 && $ignoreattachment == 0 && $waitforbodyend == 0 ) > { > if ( /Check out the new AOL/ || /search.msn.com/ || /local.live.com/ || /Yahoo!/ || /mail.yahoo.com/ || /us.rd.yahoo.com/ || /Get your email/ || /www.imagine-windowslive.com/ || /spaces.live.com/ || /clk.atdmt.com/ ) > { > print STDERR "Skipping: $_\n"; > # $waitforbodyend=1; > # if (/Yahoo/ && $plaintext == 0) > # { > # ($mess, $junk) = split ("Do You Yahoo!", $_, 2); > # print MAILOUT $mess; > # print MAILOUT "
\n"; > # } > print MAILOUT $_; > } > else > { > print MAILOUT $_; > } > } > else > { > $dontoutput=0; > } Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks, Rob ------------------------------------------------------ Owner, Rochester Classifieds Online http://RochesterClassifiedsOnline.biz ------------------------------------------------------ From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Nov 7 17:19:37 2007 Received: from mail.scasey.com (206-169-90-115.static.twtelecom.net [206.169.90.115]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2711D19CF21 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:19:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25408 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2007 01:19:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (70.171.220.23) by 0 with SMTP; 8 Nov 2007 01:19:31 -0000 Message-ID: <47326422.2070908@scaseyllc.com> Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:19:30 -0700 From: Sean Casey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: message_footer etc References: <473114D3.3000705@scaseyllc.com> <200711051033.45788.mr.domo@dahl-stamnes.net> <4730ED60.7020707@sonny.org> <473114D3.3000705@scaseyllc.com> <5.1.1.6.2.20071107075338.03b69d18@127.0.0.1> <200711071546.lA7FkSZQ006615@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <200711071546.lA7FkSZQ006615@fire.js.berklix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200711/10 X-Sequence-Number: 5690 [my bad: the MJ-users list is set to reply to sender -- and I see that Robert HAS posted his patch, which is much more elegant than mine... Julian: sorry for the off-list response. Sean] Julian H. Stacey wrote: >> From: "Robert Doty" >> Yes. I have a solution which allows you to define an HTML footer and it >> gets appended to all messages that contain HTML. The downside is that you >> need to maintain two footers, > > Sounds useful. > Hopefuly the Ascii footer doesnt get sent too on HTML postings, as > double footers would confuse some people on some lists I run: > ( Who are more than confused enough already), Some are total > incompetents, can't understand ascii, or subscribe addresses > etc, hence I'm constantly tempted to switch to Mailman, > to avoid dealing with them ). > I, too, have tweaked majordomo to deal with _fronter and _footer in html messages. My hack simply places the _fronter and _footer *inside* the MIME enclosure when it exists. If there's no MIME enclosure, they go in the normal places. So there's still a single set of definitions in the list.config file I took that approach because I could see that the _fronter and _footer WERE being written to HTML-formatted mail, but outside the MIME enclosure of the HTML. Like Robert, I've not taken the time to document the patch, but will try to get to that in the near future. Sean From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Nov 9 23:09:49 2007 X-Greylist: delayed 60 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:09:47 PST Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A36619CD62 for ; Fri, 9 Nov 2007 23:09:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with smtp id Av8a1Y00317UAYk0100200; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:08:48 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.128] ([24.61.94.0]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Av8l1Y00500UbZk0000000; Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:08:49 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5l-7njzsAAAA:8 a=qpvYAUp1N9-rYzW3rhMA:9 a=DULHbKl2wxU_FRfI98wA:7 a=-bQa71jDdlTwHg63dF12ADlV74wA:4 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 23:45:08 -0500 To: Majordomo-users From: John Watkins Subject: Newbie and the replacelist command Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Archive-Number: 200711/11 X-Sequence-Number: 5691 I've had to change from one supplier of majordomo services to another. Supposedly, the new supplier is offering the newest version - 1.94.5 With the previous supplier, I was able to use a replacelist command which is very helpful because I run email forums with a totally different registration every third week. When I try this command with the new supplier, I get the message that this command is not recognized. I'm not sure where else to get the information but hope you can help because I'll need it or something similar quite soon. -- Working together, we can create a simpler, more humane society that actually solves its problems, treats everyone fairly, and helps everyone achieve their full potential. John Watkins Founder and Creative Director The Alliance for Human Empowerment 379 Amherst Street #234, Nashua, NH 03063 http://humanemp.org From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Nov 16 07:22:40 2007 Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net (eastrmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.240.48]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3E2D818B for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:22:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20071116152236.IEAN4303.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net>; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:22:36 -0500 Received: from Dellc521 ([24.255.186.98]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id DTNV1Y00H27odG80000000; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:22:30 -0500 From: "Greg Monaco" To: Cc: Subject: List Performance Question Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:23:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C82832.4A68FF10" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 Thread-Index: AcgoZGyWptaMopLqTOGwSkPGUyarGA== Message-Id: <20071116152236.IEAN4303.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> X-Archive-Number: 200711/12 X-Sequence-Number: 5692 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C82832.4A68FF10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm finding that for a list of 5 people, my email to the list is hung for 8 to 12 hours. There are no attachments-it's a straightforward email. The list is not moderated. Any ideas of how to troubleshoot or tweak performance? Thanks. Greg Monaco ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C82832.4A68FF10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’m finding that for a list of 5 people, my = email to the list is hung for 8 to 12 hours.  There are no = attachments—it’s a straightforward email.  The list is not moderated.  Any = ideas of how to troubleshoot or tweak performance?

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C82832.4A68FF10-- From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Nov 16 08:42:03 2007 Received: from mail.sonny.com (mail.sonny.com [70.58.223.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442ECD80BB for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:42:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (mcafee.sonny.com [192.168.1.3]) by mail.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0JRL00B5OY7I9D@mail.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:38:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (magnum.sonny.com [192.168.1.68]) by mail.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0JRL00202Y83DX@mail.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:38:27 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:38:32 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Subject: Re: List Performance Question In-reply-to: <20071116152236.IEAN4303.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> To: Greg Monaco Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <473DC788.5070107@sonny.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070719) References: <20071116152236.IEAN4303.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> X-Archive-Number: 200711/13 X-Sequence-Number: 5693 How long does the mail hang if you send email to each member of your list without going through the list? Perhaps one or more of the addresses are on an unreliable connection. Possibly, the target address has some form of anti-spam/greylist/filter that prevents receiving your messages on the first or even second try. Any/All troubleshooting always begins with your log files. Start with your MTA logs, showing the initial receipt of the message, following thru to the last delivery to a list member/recipient. The mail could actually be leaving your system immediately, but hang/delay at a machine outside of your control. Dan Liston Greg Monaco wrote: > I’m finding that for a list of 5 people, my email to the list is hung > for 8 to 12 hours. There are no attachments—it’s a straightforward > email. The list is not moderated. Any ideas of how to troubleshoot or > tweak performance? > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Nov 16 10:00:47 2007 X-Greylist: delayed 1559 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:00:46 PST Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 431FFD8073 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:00:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A61D1.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.97.209]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAGHYh4c095526; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:34:44 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAGHYYED004456; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:34:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost.js.berklix.net [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAGHYYPv027974; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:34:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <200711161734.lAGHYYPv027974@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Daniel Liston Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: List Performance Question From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen. User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:38:32 CST." <473DC788.5070107@sonny.org> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:34:34 +0100 X-Archive-Number: 200711/14 X-Sequence-Number: 5694 Reference: > From: Daniel Liston > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:38:32 -0600 > Message-id: <473DC788.5070107@sonny.org> Daniel Liston wrote: > How long does the mail hang if you send email to each member of your list > without going through the list? Perhaps one or more of the addresses are > on an unreliable connection. Possibly, the target address has some form > of anti-spam/greylist/filter that prevents receiving your messages on the > first or even second try. > > Any/All troubleshooting always begins with your log files. Start with > your MTA logs, showing the initial receipt of the message, following thru > to the last delivery to a list member/recipient. The mail could actually > be leaving your system immediately, but hang/delay at a machine outside > of your control. > > Dan Liston > > Greg Monaco wrote: > > I’m finding that for a list of 5 people, my email to the list is hung > > for 8 to 12 hours. There are no attachments—it’s a straightforward > > email. The list is not moderated. Any ideas of how to troubleshoot or > > tweak performance? It may be nothing intrinsic to majordomo, just a more general problem of running lists, eg: I run some big lists (with many MickeySoft using incompetents, whose machines are doubtless regularly raped by viruses & plundered by spam list vendors) So my host name gets know to loads of spammers, & eventually mailq shows tons of mail to eg majordomo etc waiting to timeout on non return to [sometimes masqueraded etc] spammer sender. On a small machine if sendmail.cf is set to not run too many connections at once, mail can go out slowly. That could of course affect recipients on adjacent small lists as easily as recipients on big lists. Yes, always look for inspiration in log files. -- Julian Stacey. Munich Computer Consultant, BSD Unix C Linux. http://berklix.com Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Dump cigs 4 snuff. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Nov 16 10:48:40 2007 Received: from mail.scasey.com (206-169-90-115.static.twtelecom.net [206.169.90.115]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59A5D8073 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:48:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17022 invoked from network); 16 Nov 2007 18:48:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (70.171.220.23) by 0 with SMTP; 16 Nov 2007 18:48:36 -0000 Message-ID: <473DE604.8070308@scaseyllc.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:48:36 -0700 From: Sean User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: List Performance Question References: <20071116152236.IEAN4303.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <20071116152236.IEAN4303.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200711/15 X-Sequence-Number: 5695 Greg Monaco wrote: > I’m finding that for a list of 5 people, my email to the list is hung > for 8 to 12 hours. There are no attachments—it’s a straightforward > email. The list is not moderated. Any ideas of how to troubleshoot or > tweak performance? > Thanks. > Greg Monaco I've seen this kind of problem, but I have never seen it "caused" by majordomo. In one instance, it was yahoo's "greylisting" and in another it was a problem with the setup of my MTA. Majordomo (when working as it should) just re-sends messages to the addresses in the list's "list file." Once the messages have been handed off to the MTA, it is "done" Some hints/suggestions: What does the majordomo log report (if anything)? What MTA are you using? What do its logs report? Does email to those addresses using that MTA experience delays when sent "directly" (that is, not using majordomo)? Sean From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Nov 16 12:03:08 2007 Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BABD8073 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:03:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DXTl1Y00C0QkzPw0A04F00; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:03:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.128] ([24.61.94.0]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DY361Y00A00UbZk0800000; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:03:09 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=y-ifqpfutRUA:10 a=5l-7njzsAAAA:8 a=tqN92iZq9OoDB5H7rYQA:9 a=I90zn4d6gh5ZQB7IZJUA:7 a=awP2xate85fDIYPvZ_N2vbOMDIkA:4 a=oqs56FR1YJwA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:28:07 -0500 To: Majordomo-users From: John Watkins Subject: Newbie and the replacelist command--second request Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Archive-Number: 200711/16 X-Sequence-Number: 5696 Sorry to send this again. The same host that caused the initial question made an error and I did not receive any email for roughly a week. So, if anyone answered this the first time, I'd appreciate a copy of your response. --------------------------------- I've had to change from one supplier of majordomo services to another. Supposedly, the new supplier is offering the newest version - 1.94.5 With the previous supplier, I was able to use a replacelist command which is very helpful because I run email forums with a totally different registration every third week. When I try this command with the new supplier, I get the message that this command is not recognized. I'm not sure where else to get the information but hope you can help because I'll need it or something similar quite soon. -- Working together, we can create a simpler, more humane society that actually solves its problems, treats everyone fairly, and helps everyone achieve their full potential. John Watkins Founder and Creative Director The Alliance for Human Empowerment 379 Amherst Street #234, Nashua, NH 03063 http://humanemp.org From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Nov 16 12:54:27 2007 X-Greylist: delayed 1625 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:54:26 PST Received: from mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (mailbox.onlinepolicy.net [209.237.247.99]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756FFD8073 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:54:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix, from userid 58) id 1C2EA73229; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:27:20 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on mailbox.onlinepolicy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from [172.24.16.122] (rdmsw.xensource.com [69.84.254.194]) by mailbox.onlinepolicy.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA7F730B7; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:27:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <473DFD27.1080901@queernet.org> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:27:19 -0800 From: "Roger B.A. Klorese" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Watkins CC: Majordomo-users Subject: Re: Newbie and the replacelist command--second References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200711/17 X-Sequence-Number: 5697 John Watkins wrote: > With the previous supplier, I was able to use a replacelist command > which is very helpful because I run email forums with a totally > different registration every third week. > > When I try this command with the new supplier, I get the message that > this command is not recognized. The replacelist command is not part of the standard Majordomo distribution. It is a user-contributed patch that the system manager must apply to the software if they so choose. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Fri Nov 16 13:45:24 2007 X-Greylist: delayed 187 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:45:22 PST Received: from mail.kitusa.com (mail.kitusa.com [63.245.131.67]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73541D80A5 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:45:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from HPa300n [63.245.157.26] by mail.kitusa.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.22) id AEB41B80; Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:42:12 -0600 From: "Greg Monaco" To: Cc: References: <20071116152236.IEAN4303.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> <473DC788.5070107@sonny.org> Subject: Re: List Performance Question Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:43:17 -0600 Message-ID: <024901c82899$b3d1af30$0601a8c0@HPa300n> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgogGN7Dq2cXURaTYC+IsszrZN0QQAGMCYQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <473DC788.5070107@sonny.org> X-Archive-Number: 200711/18 X-Sequence-Number: 5698 I always copy myself, and I always get the email copy shortly after I send it. I am connected to that machine via imap. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:39 AM To: Greg Monaco Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: List Performance Question How long does the mail hang if you send email to each member of your list without going through the list? Perhaps one or more of the addresses are on an unreliable connection. Possibly, the target address has some form of anti-spam/greylist/filter that prevents receiving your messages on the first or even second try. Any/All troubleshooting always begins with your log files. Start with your MTA logs, showing the initial receipt of the message, following thru to the last delivery to a list member/recipient. The mail could actually be leaving your system immediately, but hang/delay at a machine outside of your control. Dan Liston Greg Monaco wrote: > I'm finding that for a list of 5 people, my email to the list is hung > for 8 to 12 hours. There are no attachments-it's a straightforward > email. The list is not moderated. Any ideas of how to troubleshoot or > tweak performance? > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Nov 19 21:22:34 2007 Received: from mail.sonny.com (mail.sonny.com [70.58.223.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFACD81C9 for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (mcafee.sonny.com [192.168.1.3]) by mail.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0JRO002090YP2T@mail.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:32:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (magnum.sonny.com [192.168.1.68]) by mail.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0JRO002043NR6O@mail.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:31:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:18:22 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Subject: Re: Newbie and the replacelist command--second request In-reply-to: To: John Watkins Cc: Majordomo-users Message-id: <473F4C8E.1070901@sonny.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070719) References: X-Archive-Number: 200711/19 X-Sequence-Number: 5699 John, replacelist is not a standard majordomo command. If your old isp would like to contribute to majordomo, we would be happy to evaluate it for inclusion in a future release. ;) On the other hand, if you have the membership list and the config file from your list, I am fairly sure your new provider can help you get it back into operation. Dan Liston John Watkins wrote: > Sorry to send this again. The same host that caused the initial question > made an error and I did not receive any email for roughly a week. So, if > anyone answered this the first time, I'd appreciate a copy of your > response. > --------------------------------- > I've had to change from one supplier of majordomo services to another. > Supposedly, the new supplier is offering the newest version - 1.94.5 > > With the previous supplier, I was able to use a replacelist command > which is very helpful because I run email forums with a totally > different registration every third week. > > When I try this command with the new supplier, I get the message that > this command is not recognized. > > I'm not sure where else to get the information but hope you can help > because I'll need it or something similar quite soon. From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Nov 20 00:11:38 2007 Received: from mail.sonny.com (mail.sonny.com [70.58.223.141]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01411D8086 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:11:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.sonny.com (mcafee.sonny.com [192.168.1.3]) by mail.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0JRS0066EP6U72@mail.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:06:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (magnum.sonny.com [192.168.1.68]) by mail.sonny.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0JRS00505S7CQ6@mail.sonny.com> for majordomo-users@greatcircle.com; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 03:11:36 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:10:58 -0600 From: Daniel Liston Subject: Re: List Performance Question In-reply-to: <024901c82899$b3d1af30$0601a8c0@HPa300n> To: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com Message-id: <47429692.6090308@sonny.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20071019) References: <20071116152236.IEAN4303.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> <473DC788.5070107@sonny.org> <024901c82899$b3d1af30$0601a8c0@HPa300n> X-Archive-Number: 200711/20 X-Sequence-Number: 5700 The point I was trying to make was for addresses outside your mail server. Are all 5 addresses on the same local machine? If not, you need to try a more realistic test. Copy an address at hotmail, aol, or yahoo for example. What did your mail logs and your majordomo log reveal? Once majordomo does a hand off of the message to your MTA, only MTA tuning/tweaking can help. Is your MTA sendmail, exim, postfix, qmail, iPlanet, or something else? Dan Liston Greg Monaco wrote: > I always copy myself, and I always get the email copy shortly after I send > it. I am connected to that machine via imap. > > Greg > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Liston [mailto:dliston@sonny.org] > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:39 AM > To: Greg Monaco > Cc: majordomo-users@greatcircle.com > Subject: Re: List Performance Question > > How long does the mail hang if you send email to each member of your list > without going through the list? Perhaps one or more of the addresses are > on an unreliable connection. Possibly, the target address has some form > of anti-spam/greylist/filter that prevents receiving your messages on the > first or even second try. > > Any/All troubleshooting always begins with your log files. Start with > your MTA logs, showing the initial receipt of the message, following thru > to the last delivery to a list member/recipient. The mail could actually > be leaving your system immediately, but hang/delay at a machine outside > of your control. > > Dan Liston > > Greg Monaco wrote: >> I'm finding that for a list of 5 people, my email to the list is hung >> for 8 to 12 hours. There are no attachments-it's a straightforward >> email. The list is not moderated. Any ideas of how to troubleshoot or >> tweak performance? >> > From majordomo-users-owner@greatcircle.com Tue Nov 20 05:41:59 2007 X-Greylist: delayed 60 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:41:58 PST Received: from QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FA5D80A7 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:41:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from OMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.59]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ezr01Y0021GhbT80508x00; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:40:57 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.128] ([24.61.94.0]) by OMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id F1gt1Y00400UbZk0300100; Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:40:55 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=cjzb7ZWKZyoA:10 a=5l-7njzsAAAA:8 a=xytxGFyMP0ZGClNzP-UA:9 a=aYxVPKOTsvkeyrC6MdUA:7 a=-SJaJ_YyLt_M7GqNoC0Xepo413kA:4 a=h9s5Ru71U4oA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <473F4C8E.1070901@sonny.org> References: <473F4C8E.1070901@sonny.org> Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:33:21 -0500 To: Daniel Liston From: John Watkins Subject: Re: Newbie and the replacelist command--second request Cc: Majordomo-users Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archive-Number: 200711/21 X-Sequence-Number: 5701 At 2:18 PM -0600 11/17/07, Daniel Liston wrote: >John, replacelist is not a standard majordomo command. If your old isp >would like to contribute to majordomo, we would be happy to evaluate it >for inclusion in a future release. ;) Thanks. I've tried to get in touch with them but don't have much help. In the weeks before I changed suppliers, the old one wasn't operating and didn't reply to queries. > >On the other hand, if you have the membership list and the config file >from your list, I am fairly sure your new provider can help you get it >back into operation. I do have both. Is that all that's needed? Can I just substitute the old config file for the new one? Or must the new provider do something more. They frankly say they make majordomo available but don't support it, suggesting greatcircle instead. -- Working together, we can create a simpler, more humane society that actually solves its problems, treats everyone fairly, and helps everyone achieve their full potential. John Watkins Founder and Creative Director The Alliance for Human Empowerment  379 Amherst Street #234, Nashua, NH 03063 http://humanemp.org