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Subject: Re: mailing with sendmail binary / errors
From: "Derek Cosby" <drcoz @ aol . com>
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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 19:54:50 -0500
To: "Al Iverson" <iverson @ mnjazz . com>
Cc: list-managers @ greatcircle . com
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He how to I get out of this group...

Al Iverson wrote on 11/7/2004, 7:06 PM:

 > lee wrote:
 >
 > >
 > > Thanks for your interest Al;
 > >
 > > Sorry about the wonky line wrap in my last mail to this list.
 > >
 > > Sure, below is a url showing the message source as shown in Mozilla
 > > Thunderbird on a mailgust mail sent out using the sendmail binary. The
 > > mail was originally emailed into the list by me from Thunderbird. The
 > > particular list is set to make the Reply-To header show the list
 > > address, although that's not relevant here. The Mailgust install used
 > > here is the standard latest release, free from my current 'experimental
 > > coding'.
 > >
 > > I might also add here that Thunderbird shows the same form of
 > > From
 > > header at the top of all message sources I look at, irrespective of any
 > > mailing list or individual emailer, but from what I understand this
 > > isn't the
 > > From
 > > header I / we have referred to earlier ?? ...
 >
 > Yeah, same on Mozilla for me, for any message I check, so I don't think
 > it's having an impact on the issue.
 >
 > > anyway, here's the url of the message source:
 > >
 > > http://www.incelsite.com/fullheaders.txt
 >
 > If I understand correctly, the issue is bounces being distributed to
 > list members, yes?
 >
 > Is the list locked so that only members can post? Verified by email
 > address?
 >
 > Can you post one of those bounces to a text file, just like you did with
 > the example post?
 >
 > My thoughts would be to change the return path as to not be the list
 > posting address, or to change the list so that only members may post.
 >
 > If you're still seeing the issues after that happens, then it feels like
 > you have some list members with a wonky MTA or MUA that is doing some
 > bad stuff. I see that often enough on our mailings (avg 1-2 mil a day)
 > that we had to put some extensive automation in place to handle
 > misdirected bounces, as well as the usual other garbage like out of
 > office replies.
 >
 > It could also be caused by some poorly-designed spam filter, that's
 > helpfully trying to bounce perceived spam, but is parsing the headers
 > wrong and sending it to the wrong person (though in a situation like
 > that, there's really not a right person to send it to; a spam filter
 > like that does little more than pound innocents with misdirected spam
 > and bounces).
 >
 > In a situation like this your only recourse may be to hunt down and
 > remove the offending list members.
 >
 > Regards,
 > Al Iverson
 >




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