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Subject: Re: Clueless subscribers?
From: claire @ siberia . demon . co . uk (Claire McNab)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:23:36 +0000 (GMT)
To: List-Managers @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: <199712031745 . AA067801133 @ broccoli . graphics . cornell . edu>
References: <199712031611 . claire . 97120600 @ siberia . demon . co . uk>
Reply-to: claire @ siberia . demon . co . uk (Claire McNab)

On  3 Dec 97 at 12:45, Mitch Collinsworth puddy cat purred:

> >the 
> >variety of uns*bscribe mechanisms on difft lists really confuses folks, 
> >so I'm setting up mechanisms to allow ppl to mail to 
> >"listname-off @
 server" to uns*b.   People can understand that.
> Oh great.  There are too many different uns*b mechanisms out there and
> people are getting being confused by it, so your solution is to invent
> yet another one.  Yah, I follow that logic.  (not)

Point taken :)   But I don't think you're right, prob cos I didn't 
explain myself very well:

1/ the listname-off idea is not a new invention -- there's software 
   that does it already.  I reckon its the best of the existing crop, 
   and I'm just hacking our setup to support it.

2/ All it needs by way of instructions is "To leave the list, send any 
   mail to listname-off @
 server".  The minimal accurate instruction for 
   the conventioonal command sybtax takes a paragraph to explain, and 
   generally an example too.

3/ The listname-off @
 server address can be implemented as a URL in a 
   webpage -- one click and you're done -- or in the modern MUAs that 
   allow clickable URLs -- and in mailers such as Pegasus it can even 
   be incoporated into the headers.
   Pegasus recognises List-Subscribe: and List-Unsubscribe headers, and 
   offers a clickable, menu-driven, easily understood way of leaving 
   the list.  It's very neat, and it's not only Pegasus that 
   supports it. I don't generally like non-standards, but because 
   this one is buried in the headers, it's invisible to anyone whose 
   mailer MUA doesn't support it, so it seems reasonably harmless.

Best wishes,

Claire McNab -- Claire @
 siberia .
 demon .
 co .

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