From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 9 15:57:12 2010 X-Greylist: delayed 569 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 15:57:11 PDT Received: from secure.redfishnetworks.com (secure.redfishnetworks.com [67.207.144.199]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2B469002B for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outside (ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net [70.171.94.246]) by secure.redfishnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 38220E2738 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:47:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Joey Kelly To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: blocklist problem Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:38:49 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201006091738.49953.joey@joeykelly.net> X-Archive-Number: 201006/1 X-Sequence-Number: 1886 Hi. I have a large announcement list (over 15k subscribers) that I'm trying to migrate to Majordomo, and I'm getting blacklisted by several large ISPs: Yahoo: 3066 addresses AOL: 2346 addresses Hostmail: 1374 addresses ...et cetera. I get several errors, but the most obvious one is that I'm sending to too many recipients at one time. mailq (postfix) tells me that I have about 8k outbound recipients sitting in my queue, every time I try to send to the list. Begging to get off the various blacklists only gets me blacklisted again as soon at the postfix tries to flush the queue. Suggestions? -- Joey Kelly Minister of the Gospel and Linux Consultant http://joeykelly.net 504-239-6550 From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jun 9 16:56:15 2010 X-Greylist: delayed 845 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:56:14 PDT Received: from zoso.net (zoso.net [63.231.47.108]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD98869002B for ; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zoso.net (mirader@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zoso.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o59NeomW013219; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:40:50 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=zoso.net; s=zoso; t=1276126850; bh=/LA+6uObyU1vJ2i7hysgekSbN3tKe1+uzRfBrM8lPto=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QRglQP5uv8ub7ocDoBjz4v4Ixgb0i0xme1G6DTHO3QJ2tf2r90TTvgVvM+Pnn0Ajf frygL+44jxmngKl6A7TxoGr+JVmIjHXzYiFVNePvU4kBO3WsQtUPSWKF0OJDOC+VRX TDjTtwesKHAP9NR0D+Kvt0pknnmXQrT/mkTp0Slo= Received: from localhost (mirader@localhost) by zoso.net (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id o59Neo8w013215; Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:40:50 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:40:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob To: Joey Kelly cc: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: blocklist problem In-Reply-To: <201006091738.49953.joey@joeykelly.net> Message-ID: References: <201006091738.49953.joey@joeykelly.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LNX 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 201006/2 X-Sequence-Number: 1887 I don't think that this is a majordomo thing. Blacklisting usually consists of the ip that is distributing the mails. I have been using majordomo since the 90's and have never been blacklisted by anyone including the 3 isp's you mentioned below. Actually a high volume of my list is consists of aol, yahoo, hotmail, gmail, etc. I also noticed that when I installed dkim milter that the few problems I did have went away. Alot of these places you may be talking of may be assuming its spam. Even if what I speak is not the case, try dkim milter and/or domainkeys. Its all free and does help with the spam senario. Bob On Wed, 9 Jun 2010, Joey Kelly wrote: > Hi. > > I have a large announcement list (over 15k subscribers) that I'm trying to > migrate to Majordomo, and I'm getting blacklisted by several large ISPs: > > Yahoo: 3066 addresses > AOL: 2346 addresses > Hostmail: 1374 addresses > > ...et cetera. > > I get several errors, but the most obvious one is that I'm sending to too many > recipients at one time. > > mailq (postfix) tells me that I have about 8k outbound recipients sitting in > my queue, every time I try to send to the list. Begging to get off the > various blacklists only gets me blacklisted again as soon at the postfix > tries to flush the queue. > > Suggestions? > > -- > Joey Kelly > Minister of the Gospel and Linux Consultant > http://joeykelly.net > 504-239-6550 > From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jun 10 07:03:24 2010 X-Greylist: delayed 390 seconds by postgrey-1.24 at mycroft; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:03:23 PDT Received: from yertle.kcilink.com (yertle-comcast.kcilink.com [74.92.149.58]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A567590161 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vivek.int.kcilink.com (vivek.int.kcilink.com [192.168.7.97]) by yertle.kcilink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55C18A0B6 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:56:52 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=kcilink.com; s=kci0709; t=1276178212; bh=2bH5QSTdRQjjig0sHmS2mll+pRRWRT7qeF9j6+zrWy8=; h=Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To; b=YxFYqKiOPpmowQr7FOVMoCPb5EBTLIFfLzTi7r+S4LdyUBqDnG7KiSb8k6DdPBDtV WYm770ehNuU7toZ+FjfftkalpT5LBqP9aiIxxn8Ygb9HOMjn9+cEU5fb1dYpSssgUn dxkvPcsHhA9ObnuC0O/Ldx+tezNuKRHvzH9O18xU= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Subject: Re: blocklist problem From: Vick Khera In-Reply-To: <201006091738.49953.joey@joeykelly.net> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:56:52 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <83619CA3-038A-48E4-9EF0-F1EC08CD1BFE@kcilink.com> References: <201006091738.49953.joey@joeykelly.net> To: list-managers@greatcircle.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Archive-Number: 201006/3 X-Sequence-Number: 1888 On Jun 9, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Joey Kelly wrote: > I get several errors, but the most obvious one is that I'm sending to = too many=20 > recipients at one time. Are they rejecting your mail or just throttling you? If this is a new IP address from which you're sending, they need to = first build up some reputation of whether those mails are wanted by = their customers. Over time, the mail will go through. What you may = have to do is configure postfix to trickle the mail out to these places, = say by limiting it to 1 concurrent connection per destination domain. You do this by setting a transport map to map "yahoo.com" to the = transport "trickle". Then in master.cf you create a copy of the "smtp" = line and change "smtp" to "trickle", and then in main.cf you set = "trickle_destination_concurrency_limit =3D 1". The postfix list will = provide more help if you need it. Once yahoo/aol/gmail/hotmail get used to your IP, you can bump up the = concurrency until ultimately you don't need the throttle anymore. That and using DKIM is a great idea. Just be sure to strip any DKIM on = the incoming messages first so as not to confuse the remote verifiers. Your other option is to use a list hosting service who has taken care of = all the ISP relations for you.= From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jun 10 07:29:39 2010 Received: from secure.redfishnetworks.com (secure.redfishnetworks.com [67.207.144.199]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C2069006C for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outside (ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net [70.171.94.246]) by secure.redfishnetworks.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 544E0E25F2 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:29:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Joey Kelly To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: blocklist problem Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 09:20:40 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 References: <201006091738.49953.joey@joeykelly.net> <83619CA3-038A-48E4-9EF0-F1EC08CD1BFE@kcilink.com> In-Reply-To: <83619CA3-038A-48E4-9EF0-F1EC08CD1BFE@kcilink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201006100920.42973.joey@joeykelly.net> X-Archive-Number: 201006/4 X-Sequence-Number: 1889 On Thu June 10 2010 8:56 am, Vick Khera wrote: > On Jun 9, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Joey Kelly wrote: > > I get several errors, but the most obvious one is that I'm sending to too > > many recipients at one time. > > Are they rejecting your mail or just throttling you? The ISPs are throttling me, but barracuda users are outright blocking me. > If this is a new IP address from which you're sending, they need to first > build up some reputation of whether those mails are wanted by their > customers. Over time, the mail will go through. What you may have to do > is configure postfix to trickle the mail out to these places, say by > limiting it to 1 concurrent connection per destination domain. > > You do this by setting a transport map to map "yahoo.com" to the transport > "trickle". Then in master.cf you create a copy of the "smtp" line and > change "smtp" to "trickle", and then in main.cf you set > "trickle_destination_concurrency_limit = 1". The postfix list will provide > more help if you need it. Ahh... that's what I was looking for... some way to throttle SMTP. Thanks. > > Once yahoo/aol/gmail/hotmail get used to your IP, you can bump up the > concurrency until ultimately you don't need the throttle anymore. > > That and using DKIM is a great idea. Just be sure to strip any DKIM on the > incoming messages first so as not to confuse the remote verifiers. I was planning on setting up SPF, but the more the merrier. -- Joey Kelly Minister of the Gospel and Linux Consultant http://joeykelly.net 504-239-6550